Winters Family

Descendants of Joseph Winters of Millow, England.

1871 Census

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Household
Name Relation Condition Gender Age Occupation Birth Place Line More Details
David Newell Head M 43 Bedfordshire 220 More Details
Susan Newell Wife F 36 Bedfordshire 230 More Details
David Newell Son M 21 Bedfordshire 240 More Details
Jane Newell Daughter F 12 Cambridgeshire 10 More Details
George Newell Son M 5 Cambridgeshire 20 More Details
Elizabeth Newell Daughter F 4 Cambridgeshire 30 More Details
Sarah Newell Daughter F 3 Hertfordshire 40 More Details
Fanny Newell Daughter F 0 Hertfordshire 50 More Details
Joseph Winters Son-In-Law M 14 Bedfordshire 60 More Details

Joseph, Winters
Registration Number:
Rg10 Piece:
1351 Folio:
128 Page:
7
Registration District:
Ware Sub District:
Ware Enumeration District:
7 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Civil Parish:
Ware Municipal Ward:
Address:
Railway Tavern, Ware County:
Hertfordshire

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Edith WINTERS Household

Female

Other Information:
Birth Year
Birthplace Dunton, Bedford, England
Age 21
Occupation House Maid
Marital Status U
Head of Household John MUMFORD

Relation Servant
Disability

Source Information:
Dwelling Back Street
Census Place Royston, Hertford, England
Family History Library Film 1341344

Public Records Office Reference RG11

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Name: Harold Heawa WINTERS
Sex: M
Birth: 5 AUG 1886 in Te Kopuru, NZ 1
Death: 13 AUG 1969 in Dargaville, NZ of Old age
Burial: 15 AUG 1969 Mt Wesley, NZ
Event: Hospital 1969 Dargaville Hospital , NZ
Occupation: Electrician, Engine Driver
Event: Birth Address 1886 Aratapu, NZ
Event: School Te Kopuru, Dargaville High
ADDR: Walker Tce
Te Kopuru
New Zealand

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781. SUSAN WINTERS – International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 31 MAR 1833 Dunton, Bedford, England

782. ELIZABETH WINTERS – International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 17 MAY 1840 Dunton, Bedford, England

783. MARY WINTERS – International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 22 MAY 1831 Dunton, Bedford, England

784. MARY ANN WINTERS – International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 01 NOV 1868 Dunton, Bedford, England

785. GEORGE WINTERS – International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 03 JUL 1842 Dunton, Bedford, England

786. JOHN WINTERS – International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 06 DEC 1863 Dunton, Bedford, England

787. WILLIAM WINTERS – International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 09 NOV 1828 Dunton, Bedford, England

788. THOMAS WINTERS – International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 20 AUG 1837 Dunton, Bedford, England

789. SARAH ANN WINTERS – International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 24 APR 1859 Dunton, Bedford, England

790. SARAH WINTERS – International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 04 AUG 1867 Dunton, Bedford, England

791. FANNY WINTERS – International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 27 OCT 1861 Dunton, Bedford, England

792. JOSEPH WINTERS – International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 27 JUL 1856 Dunton, Bedford, England

793. ELLEN WINTERS – International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 22 JUL 1866 Dunton, Bedford, England

794. SAMUEL WINTERS – International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 26 JUL 1835 Dunton, Bedford, England

Batch N0 C035521

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“Ware
Ware is a typical Hertfordshire market town, with a population of around
17,780. It has a close community spirit, flourishing amongst its ancient
and modern streets. The Romans had a vital hand in establishing the
prosperity of Ware. They were not the first people to live in this area
though – archaelogical evidence of early Iron Age and possible Bronze
Age settlements has also been found.
The malting industry dominated the life of the town from the 17th
century and Ware could justly claim to be the premier malting town in
England. What gave malting in Ware the edge over other centres was its
position between London and the barley-growing counties of Suffolk and
Cambridgeshire,
*****together with its situation on the River Lea, with easy transport
by barge to London****.
The malting industry has now gone and many of the old maltings have been
converted into offices, factories and houses, but Ware still retains its
industrial character. The main employer is now pharmaceutical giant
Glaxo Wellcome, with other industries located in the Crane Mead,
Broadmeads and Marsh Lane areas.”
Anne
South Australia

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WareCreated 1st July 1837.Sub-districts : Hoddesdon; Stanstead; Standon;

WareGRO volumes : VI (1837-51); 3a (1852-1930).
Broxbourne, Eastwick, Gilston, Great Amwell, Great Munden, Hoddesdon, Hunsdon, Little Munden, Standon, Stanstead Abbots, Stanstead St. Margaret, Thundridge, Ware, Widford, Wormley.

Registers now divided between Hertford & Ware and Broxbourne districts.

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1871 England Census
David Newell
43
Wrestlingworth, Bedfordshire, England
Head
Ware
Hertfordshire

David Newell
21
Wrestlingworth, Bedfordshire, England
Son
Ware
Hertfordshire

Elizabeth Newell
4
Wrestlingworth, Cambridgeshire, England
Daughter
Ware
Hertfordshire

Fanny Newell
3 months
Wareside, Hertfordshire, England
Daughter
Ware
Hertfordshire

George Newell
5
Croxden, Cambridgeshire, England
Son
Ware
Hertfordshire

James Newell
12
Croxden, Cambridgeshire, England
Daughter
Ware
Hertfordshire

Sarah Newell
3
Wareside, Hertfordshire, England
Daughter
Ware
Hertfordshire

Susan Newell
36
Denton, Bedfordshire, England
Wife
Ware
Hertfordshire

Joseph Winters
44
Langford, Bedfordshire, England
Son-in-law
Ware
Hertfordshire

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Tuesday, July 27, 2004

Household Record
1881 British Census
David NEWELL
Head
M
Male
78
Wrestlingworth, Bedford, England
Ag Lab

Fanny NEWELL
Wife
M
Female
80
Baldock, Hertford, England
Census Place
Wrestlingworth, Bedford, England

Family History Library Film
1341389

Public Records Office Reference
RG11

Piece / Folio
1628 / 41

Page Number
9

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Household Record
1881 British Census

David NEWELL
M
Male
53
Reslinworth, Bedford, England
Ag Lab
Susan NEWELL
M
Female
48
Dunton, Bedford, England
Jane NEWELL
U
Female
23
Croidon, Cambridge, England
Laundress
George NEWELL
U
Male
18
Reslinworth, Bedford, England
Ag Lab
Fanny NEWELL

Female
10
Wareside, Hertford, England
Scholar
Oliver NEWELL

Male
8
Wareside, Hertford, England
Scholar
Alfred NEWELL

Male
6
Wareside, Hertford, England
Scholar
Source Information:

Dwelling
Wareside Village

Census Place
Ware, Hertford, England

Family History Library Film
1341342

Public Records Office Reference
RG11

Piece / Folio
1402 / 54

Page Number
13
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She did not list father on birth certificate of Joseph Winters.

Hello, Hugh,

Sorry for a few days delay – I’m just starting tor recover from a bad dose of
the flu!

I found the following entries which may be of use to you:

Elizabeth and James NEWEL(L) Blunham 1763 removed to Cardington

William NEWEL(L) Pavenham 1720 miscellaneous

John, Eleanor, Mary, Sarah,
William, Samuel and Charles
WINTER(S) Eaton Socon 1830 removed from Foulmire, CAM

William WINTER(S) Arlesey 1817 removed to Ickleford HRT

Kind regards,

Geoff

Dwelling: Private House
Census Place: Luton, Bedford, England
Source: FHL Film 1341394 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 1651 Folio 21
Page 36
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Rachel BROWN U 57 F Luton, Bedford, England
Rel: Head
Occ: Land House Dividends & C
Ann BROWN U 54 F Luton, Bedford, England
Rel: Sister
Occ: Land House Dividends & C
Selina SERLOCK U 55 F Bramley, Surrey, England
Rel: Companion
Occ: Companion Dom
Susan WINTERS U 40 F Histon, Cambridge, England
Rel: Servant
Occ: Cook
Martha WINTERS U 35 F Histon, Cambridge, England
Rel: Servant
Occ: Housemaid

I know why you thought of Dunton – found a Susan WINTERS there in the

1851 Census Index I reckon ….. but did you have a look at the
family?

Anyway the upshot is that Susan’s maiden name was WINTERS, not NEWELL
that might have been Joseph’s father’s name; I know not for there I
found his baptism record in the PRs at Entry Number 567 on July 27th
1856; it says:
Joseph, Mother Susan WINTERS of Millow

No father’s name given and Millow is a hamlet within the Parish of
Dunton.

Susan was at Millow in the 1851 Census with her father Samuel and
siblings Samuel, Thomas, Betsey and George.

I looked at every instance of both NEWELL and WINTERS in the County
of Bedfordshire and there were no other Susan’s of either name.

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Tuesday, July 19, 2005

Fwd: [BDF] Millow
Date: 19-Jul-2005 10:08
Subject: Re: [BDF] Millow

There is a Millow which is part of the village of Dunton ( about 3 miles
from Biggleswade Beds.) There were Winters living at Millow in 1881 but no Joseph.
Similarly 1891 and 1901. If you have some idea of his birth date it would help.

Tony

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Fwd: [BDF] Millow
Date: 18-Jul-2005 10:17
Subject: Re: [BDF] Millow

Does anyone on the list know much about, or live near Millow, near Langford.

Mt GG, Joseph Winters, was born at the “farmhouse at Millow”

National Burial Index report

Burial DateForenameSurnameAgeCountyPlace / Details
23 Apr 1870 ClaraWINTER 1+BedfordshireEaton Socon, St Mary
28 Sep 1868EleanorWINTER76BedfordshireEaton Socon, St Mary
23 Mar 1865GeorgeWINTER1+BedfordshireEaton Socon, St Mary
19 Apr 1869JohnWINTER20BedfordshireEaton Socon, St Mary
17 Feb 1864SamuelWINTERS4BedfordshireEaton Socon, St Mary

6 Dec 1832AnnWINTERS34Bedfordshir

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Saturday, July 10, 2004

Kelly’s Directories 1877/1890

Hugh

Just a couple of entries that I can find :

1890 [only]

Potton…there is a George WINTERS, beer retailer, Bull Street,

1877 / 1890

Biggleswade…David Paine WINTERS, farmer, Stratton Park farm

Kelly’s appears to list gentry, farmers/tradesmen and public officials but other people [who work for others] arent listed as a rule

I looked in the Muster Lists [Bedfordshire Muster Rolls, 1539-1831edited by Nigel Lutt, vol 71 (1992) £15] and found just one entry in there:
In Dunton cum Millo [in the Biggleswade Hundred]: William WINTERS was enrolled in the County Militia, he was chosen by lot in Feb 1763

1851 census index:

Dunton: WINTERS all on page 6:

Betsey, age 10 born Dunton
George, age7 born Dunton
Samuel, age 51 born Dunton
Samuel, age 15 born Dunton
Sarah, age 16 born Potton
Susan, age 18 born Dunton
Thomas, age 60 born Potton
Thomas, age13 born Dunton

Potton;
page 22:
William WINTERS, age 70, born Dun

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Mary WARBOYS (AFN: 23LW-4ZJ) Pedigree
Sex: F Family

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Event(s):
Birth: 1700

Christening: 12 Jan 1700
Guilden Morden, , Cambs, Eng

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Parents:
Father: Richard WARBOYES (AFN: 23LW-90D) Family
Mother: Margaret WALLIS (AFN: 23LW-91L)

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Marriage(s):
Spouse: Thomas HOWARD (AFN: 23LW-4XB) Family
Marriage: 16 May 1723
Steeple Morden, , Cambs, Eng

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Husband’s Name
John SMITH (AFN:CJ9L-HG) Pedigree

Born: 1767 Place: Steeple Mourden, Cambs, Eng
Christened: 8 Feb 1767 Place: Steeple Mourden, Cambs, Eng
Died: 22 Mar 1829 Place: Gu

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Mary WARBOYS (AFN: 23LW-4ZJ) Pedigree
Sex: F Family

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Event(s):
Birth: 1700

Christening: 12 Jan 1700
Guilden Morden, , Cambs, Eng

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Parents:
Father: Richard WARBOYES (AFN: 23LW-90D) Family
Mother: Margaret WALLIS (AFN: 23LW-91L)

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Marriage(s):
Spouse: Thomas HOWARD (AFN: 23LW-4XB) Family
Marriage: 16 May 1723
Steeple Morden, , Cambs, Eng

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Husband’s Name
John SMITH (AFN:CJ9L-HG) Pedigree

Born: 1767 Place: Steeple Mourden, Cambs, Eng
Christened: 8 Feb 1767 Place: Steeple Mourden, Cambs, Eng
Died: 22 Mar 1829 Place: Guilden Mourden, Cambs, Eng
Married: 11 Apr 1792 Place: Guilden Mourden, Cambs, Eng

Father:
Mother:

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Wife’s Name
Mary WARBOYS (AFN:CJ9L-JM) Pedigree

Born: 3 Jul 1768 Place: Guilden Mourden, Cambs, Eng
Married: 11 Apr 1792 Place: Guilden Mourden, Cambs, Eng

Father:
Mother:

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Children

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1. Sex Name
F Hetty SMITH (AFN:QFJQ-LF) Pedigree

Born: Oct 1808 Place: Guilden Mourden, Cambs, Eng

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2. Sex Name
M John SMITH (AFN:QFJQ-GQ) Pedigree

Born: Mar 1794 Place: Guilden Mourden, Cambs, Eng
Christened: 16 Mar 1794 Place: Guilden Mourden, Cambs, Eng

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3. Sex Name
M Jacob SMITH (AFN:QFJQ-K8) Pedigree

Born: Apr 1805 Place: Guilden Mourden, Cambs, Eng
Christened: 28 Apr 1805 Place: Guilden Mourden, Cambs, Eng

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4. Sex Name
F Edith SMITH (AFN:QFJQ-J3) Pedigree

Born: May 1803 Place: Guilden Mourden, Cambs, Eng
Christened: 4 Jun 1803 Place: Guilden Mourden, Cambs, Eng

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5. Sex Name
M William SMITH (AFN:QFJQ-FK) Pedigree

Born: Jul 1792 Place: Guilden Mourden, Cambs, Eng
Christened: 22 Jul 1792 Place: Guilden Mourden, Cambs, Eng

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6. Sex Name
M Thomas SMITH (AFN:QFJQ-HW) Pedigree

Born: Jul 1795 Place: Guilden Mourden, Cambs, Eng
Christened: 2 Aug 1795 Place: Guilden Mourden, Cambs, Eng

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7. Sex Name
M Simeon SMITH (AFN:43TT-7K) Pedigree

Born: Aug 1803 Place: Gullden, Mourden, Cambs, Eng
Christened: 16 Jun 1800 Place: Guilden Mourden, Cambs, Eng
Died: 21 Mar 1875 Place: Shingay, Cams, Eng

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8. Sex Name
F Mary SMITH (AFN:QFJQ-ML) Pedigree

Born: Sep 1810 Place: Guilden Mourden, Cambs, Eng
Christened: 27 Sep 1810 Place: Guilden Mourden, Cambs, Eng

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9. Sex Name
M James SMITH (AFN:QFJQ-NR) Pedigree

Born: Sep 1812 Place: Guilden Mourden, Cambs, Eng
Christened: 9 Sep 1812 Place: Guilden Mourden, Cambs, Eng

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10. Sex Name
M Caleb SMITH (AFN:QFJQ-PX) Pedigree

Born: Nov 1813 Place: Guilden Mourden, Cambs, Eng
Christened: 28 Nov 1813 Place: Guilden Mourden, Cambs, Eng

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Friday, August 06, 2004

From: Eve McLaughlin
Date: 08/05/04 19:22:34
To: GENBRIT-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Winters and Newell – a puzzle?

>*My gt grandfather Joseph Winters was born may 1856 at Langford,
>Bedfordshire
How do you know this is your ggfr? It is not an uncommon name,
>
>*Worked in Cambridgeshire as ag lab before coming to NZ in 1875

>*Died in NZ 1935 – death certificate and marriage certificate give dob as
>Ware, Hertfordshire
>
>Not sure why Ware given as birthplace
possibly he worked as an unmarried man in Ware, and had spoken about the
place to his family. Comes his death, it was not possible to ask him,
but someone said – oh, remember he was always going on about Ware – that
must be where he was born. But, on the other hand, see below.
>
>*Mothers name is listed as Newell on certificate
>
>*The name Joseph Winters is listed as father on marriage certificate
>
>A Joseph Winters and a Susan Newell appear on 1871 census at Wareside in
>Herts – Railway Hotel
>
>Trouble is Joseph is 44 – probably Josephs father?
It sounds as if we are talking about two generations
1. Joseph who married Susan Newell
2. Joseph, their son (or at least, Susan’s son and Joseph’s stepson, who
(maybe) later took his name.
If Susan had an illegitimate son named Joseph Newell in 1856 at Ware,
then bingo, you have him. In which case, his mother was a Newell, and
only the name of the father is in doubt – check local Petty session to
see if there is a maintenance case. Does Joseph here state he wasborn in
Langford? If so, this sounds likely, and look in that area for a
maintenance case, but presumably she soon moved to Ware.
>
>Susan Newell is listed as wife on 1871 census
is she listed as Susan Winters or Susan Newell?
> – Joseph is listed as son in
>law
>
>Head in census is David Newell is Susan his wife or Josephs?
ah, with you. If the set up is
David Newell head….
Susan Newell, wife
Joseph Winters, son in law aged 14 b Langford
then the child was born as Winters *(? illegitimately, ?of a short
lived marriage.)
Susan then married Mr Newell, but the boy retained his own surname,
because he was already known by it before Susan married David
The Joseph Winters aged 44 MAY be Susan’s brother.

>Susan is still at Wareside in 1881 census but not 1891

Eve McLaughlin

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From: Eve McLaughlin
Date: 08/05/04 19:22:34
To: GENBRIT-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Winters and Newell – a puzzle?

>*My gt grandfather Joseph Winters was born may 1856 at Langford,
>Bedfordshire
How do you know this is your ggfr? It is not an uncommon name,
>
>*Worked in Cambridgeshire as ag lab before coming to NZ in 1875

>*Died in NZ 1935 – death certificate and marriage certificate give dob as
>Ware, Hertfordshire
>
>Not sure why Ware given as birthplace
possibly he worked as an unmarried man in Ware, and had spoken about the
place to his family. Comes his death, it was not possible to ask him,
but someone said – oh, remember he was always going on about Ware – that
must be where he was born. But, on the other hand, see below.
>
>*Mothers name is listed as Newell on certificate
>
>*The name Joseph Winters is listed as father on marriage certificate
>
>A Joseph Winters and a Susan Newell appear on 1871 census at Wareside in
>Herts – Railway Hotel
>
>Trouble is Joseph is 44 – probably Josephs father?
It sounds as if we are talking about two generations
1. Joseph who married Susan Newell
2. Joseph, their son (or at least, Susan’s son and Joseph’s stepson, who
(maybe) later took his name.
If Susan had an illegitimate son named Joseph Newell in 1856 at Ware,
then bingo, you have him. In which case, his mother was a Newell, and
only the name of the father is in doubt – check local Petty session to
see if there is a maintenance case. Does Joseph here state he wasborn in
Langford? If so, this sounds likely, and look in that area for a
maintenance case, but presumably she soon moved to Ware.
>
>Susan Newell is listed as wife on 1871 census
is she listed as Susan Winters or Susan Newell?
> – Joseph is listed as son in
>law
>
>Head in census is David Newell is Susan his wife or Josephs?
ah, with you. If the set up is
David Newell head….
Susan Newell, wife
Joseph Winters, son in law aged 14 b Langford
then the child was born as Winters *(? illegitimately, ?of a short
lived marriage.)
Susan then married Mr Newell, but the boy retained his own surname,
because he was already known by it before Susan married David
The Joseph Winters aged 44 MAY be Susan’s brother.

>Susan is still at Wareside in 1881 census but not 1891

Eve McLaughlin

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WINTERS, ALLEN ERNEST

Plot : PROTESTANT LAWN C Row 9, Plot 121
Interment Type: Burial
Title: MR
Surname : WINTERS
Given Names: ALLEN ERNEST
Age : 71
Gender : Male
Occupation: RTD FARMER
Date Of Death : 26-Jun-1997
Date Of Cremation : N/A
Date Of Burial : 30-Jun-1997
Funeral Director : W M MORRISON FUNERAL DIRECTORS
Head Stone Details : Y

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Plot : WESLEY DIVISION D Row 7, Plot 13B
Interment Type: Burial
Title: MR
Surname : WINTER
Given Names: JOSEPH
Age : 82
Gender : Male
Occupation: N/A
Date Of Death : 17-Apr-1935
Date Of Cremation : N/A
Date Of Burial : 18-Apr-1935
Funeral Director : TJ MCIVOR
Head Stone Details : N/A

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RG13/1283/23/10

Administrative County: Hertfordshire
Civil Parish: Ware
Ecclesiastical Parish of: Holy Trinity Wareside
County Borough, Municipal Borough, or Urban District: none
Ward of Municipal Borough or of Urban District: none
Rural District of: Ware
Parliamentary District or Division of: Eastern
Town or Village or Hamlet of: Wareside

No of Schedule: 59
ROAD, STREET, &c., and No. or NAME of HOUSE: Wareside
HOUSES In-habited: 1
HOUSES Uninhabited In Occupation: blank
HOUSES Uninhabited Not in Occupation: blank
HOUSES Building: blank
Number of Rooms occupied if less than five: 3
Name and Surname of each Person:
David Newell
Susan “ditto”
Alfred “ditto”
RELATION to Head of family:
David Newell – Head
Susan “ditto” – Wife
Alfred “ditto” – Son
Condition as to Marriage:
David Newell – M
Susan “ditto” – M
Alfred “ditto” – S
Age last Birthday of Males:
David Newell – 72
Alfred “ditto” – 26
Age last Birthday of Females:
Susan “ditto” – 68
PROFESSION OR OCCUPATION:
David Newell – Agricultural Labourer
Susan “ditto” – (blank)
Alfred “ditto” – Carpenters Labourer
Employer, Worker, or Own account:
David Newell – Worker
Susan “ditto” – (blank)
Alfred “ditto” – Worker
If Working at Home:
David Newell – (blank)
Susan “ditto” – (blank)
Alfred “ditto” – (blank)
WHERE BORN:
David Newell – Bedfordshire, Esslingwort
Susan “ditto” – “ditto”, Dunton
Alfred “ditto” – Herts, Wareside
If (1) Deaf and Dumb (2) Blind (3) Lunatic (4) Imbecile, feeble-minded:
David Newell – blank
Susan “ditto” – blank
Alfred “ditto” – blank

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On 13 Aug 2007 at 9:34, Dianne Sutton wrote:

Putting Millow as a place search in to http://blars.adlibsoft.com/ produces a few results.
Have a look for bastardy bonds, also the local Poor Law Guardians; papers and church vestry minutes as Susan may have applied for; maintenance for the child.

This is not very likely to work.This is too late for bastardy bonds to apply (after 1834). There is also confusion over the source of poor relief – it was (pre 1834) dealt out by the Overseers of the Poor, not the church or vestry. The Overseers handled allowances for single mothers/their babies, collected from the father.
After 1834, ordinary poor relief came (ultimately) from the Board of Guardians of the Union of parishes, and was physically paid over by the Relieving officer. But this did not usually apply in filiation cases. There possibly could be a record of the birth in a workhouse. Not many Workhouse records for the Unions exist in the early years.

In any case, maintenance had to be applied for from the Petty sessions, so by far the best source is newspaper reports of the proceedings of magistrates, which could well name the father. The court proceeding should be reported in the local
newspaper within about 3 weeks of the child’s birth – assuming that the father was not careful and generous enough to pay up a lump sum without prompting, thus keeping his name out of court. If he paid something on account, or promised to pay and stopped doing so
after a while, then there could be a filiation case later, even after a matter of a couple of years.

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Hi Hugh,

Yes, Susan married my ggGrandfather, David Newell as his second wife. Take a look at my tree. I am not sure on the year of their marriage, but it was probably c1858 as they had a child c1859. I cannot help you with the background for Joseph Winters, but it makes family tree research very interesting ;-)

I am related to Susan and David’s son George. He was a South Downs shepherd (Sussex, England) and so was my Grandfather, Clifford.

Do you live in Australia or New Zealand? My wife and I emigrated to California (USA) in 1977, and now live in Simi Valley, just north of Los Angeles. We sppent 28 years in San Jose, near San Francisco, before I was relocated with my job to Southern California.

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WINTERS Harold Heawa – Te Kopuru – Settler 1969 – 1969

agency series accession box / item record part
alternative no.
BBNY 10440 Box83 264/196

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Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
David NEWELL Head M Male 53 Reslinworth, Bedford, England Ag Lab
Susan NEWELL Wife M Female 48 Dunton, Bedford, England
Jane NEWELL Dau U Female 23 Croidon, Cambridge, England Laundress
George NEWELL Son U Male 18 Reslinworth, Bedford, England Ag Lab
Fanny NEWELL Dau Female 10 Wareside, Hertford, England Scholar
Oliver NEWELL Son Male 8 Wareside, Hertford, England Scholar
Alfred NEWELL Son Male 6 Wareside, Hertford, England Scholar

Source Information:

Dwelling Wareside Village
Census Place Ware, Hertford, England
Family History Library Film 1341342
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 1402 / 54
Page Number 13

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“The Baron Aberdare, a new ship, built to the order of the New Zealand Shipping Company, arrived in port last evening from London with a general cargo and a long list of passengers. Captain Edmonds reports that the Baron Aberdare discharged the pilot off Plymouth on the 14th December, and left the Channel with a fresh NE wind. Passed Madeira on the 19th. Experienced light winds, and crossed the equator in long 21 W. on 6th January. Had light SE trades and light variable winds afterwards. Passed the meridian of the Cape on the 4th of February. Fresh westerly breezes from there to the meridian of the Leeuwin, which was passed on the 20th February. Ran down the easting in latitude 40 deg S. After passing the Leeuwin had light easterly and NE winds. Rounded Tasmania on March 2nd, and since then have had a dead boat here. Two births on the passage, and one infant died. The ship made the run in 95 days from Plymouth. She is described as being a fine new clipper vessel of over 1,500 tons register, and it was confidently expected that she would make the premier passage of the season to this port, but contrary winds delayed her to a great extent. The immigrants have all arrived in excellent health, not an adult death being recorded by the surgeon superintendent, Dr Forman. The Health Officer (Dr. Philsom) and the immigration officer (Mr Ellis) will inspect the vessel this morning, when no doubt a clean bill of health will be given, as we understand that there is no disease on board of an infections character.”

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Hello Hugh,
Luckily, it appears that Dunton is one of those parishes where the LDS was allowed to film just about every kind of church records, so I hope the following films will be of use to you.
Jim Bundy

Title Parish registers, 1553-1971
Authors (Main Author)
Note Location
Film
Baptisms, 1813-1944; banns, 1824-1954; marriages, 1813-1971; burials, 1813-1911 FHL BRITISH Film
1279089 Items 6-14
Churchwardens accounts, 1775-1847; overseers rates, 1801-1828, 1855-1881 FHL BRITISH Film
1279090
Overseers rates, 1881-1891, 1902-1903; overseers accounts, 1769-1809 FHL BRITISH Film
1279091
Overseers accounts, 1809-1839; indemnity bond, 1721, removal orders, 1760-1834, examinations, 1818; apprenticeship indentures, 1717; bastardy, 1726-1831; settlement, 1808; militia, 1798-1814 FHL BRITISH Film
1279092 Items 1-13
Baptisms, marriages and burials, 1553-1812; baptisms, marriages and burials (another filming), 1813-1875; banns of marriages, 1795- 1823; banns of marriages (another filming), 1824-1881 FHL BRITISH Film
826475

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title years
Doug Winters Ltd 1968 – c.1974

agency series accession box / item record part alternative no.
BADZ 5181 1916 19431 1968/1331

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RG12/1254
Biggleswade
Blunham , Chalton , Cockayne Hatley , Dunton , Everton , Eyworth , Ickwell , Lower Caldecote , Millo , Muggerhanger , Northill , Potton , Thorncote , Upper Caldecote

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Date: 19-Jul-2005 10:08
Subject: Re: [BDF] Millow

There is a Millow which is part of the village of Dunton ( about 3 miles
from Biggleswade Beds.) There were Winters living at Millow in 1881 but no Joseph.
Similarly 1891 and 1901. If you have some idea of his birth date it would help.

Tony

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Date: 18-Jul-2005 10:17
Subject: Re: [BDF] Millow

Does anyone on the list know much about, or live near Millow, near Langford.

Mt GG, Joseph Winters, was born at the “farmhouse at Millow”

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Burial DateForenameSurnameAgeCountyPlace / Details
23 Apr 1870 ClaraWINTER 1+BedfordshireEaton Socon, St Mary
28 Sep 1868EleanorWINTER76BedfordshireEaton Socon, St Mary
23 Mar 1865GeorgeWINTER1+BedfordshireEaton Socon, St Mary
19 Apr 1869JohnWINTER20BedfordshireEaton Socon, St Mary
17 Feb 1864SamuelWINTERS4BedfordshireEaton Socon, St Mary

6 Dec 1832AnnWINTERS34BedfordshireArlesey, St Peter
24 Apr 1836AnnWINTERS20BedfordshireLuton, St Mary
16 Jan 1850AnnWINTERS60BedfordshirePotton, St Mary the Virgin
6 Jun 1832DanielWINTERSinfBedfordshireArlesey, St Peter
15 May 1849EdithWINTERS45BedfordshireDunton, St Mary Magdalene
22 Nov 1833ElizaWINTERS9BedfordshireKensworth, St Mary
15 Jul 1826ElizabethWINTERS2+BedfordshirePotton, St Mary the Virgin
22 Nov 1834ElizabethWINTERS9BedfordshireArlesey, St Peter
29 Nov 1848EmmaWINTERSinfBedfordshireEyeworth, All Saints
20 Nov 1849GeorgeWINTERS14BedfordshireArlesey, St Peter
26 Oct 1851HannahWINTERS34BedfordshireCaddington, All Saints
3 May 1826JaneWINTERS9BedfordshireArlesey, St Peter
16 Dec 1835JohnWINTERS68BedfordshireArlesey, St Peter
9 Sep 1838JohnWINTERSinfBedfordshireDunton, St Mary Magdalene
7 Oct 1841JohnWINTERS22BedfordshireArlesey, St Peter
27 Feb 1845JohnWINTERS3BedfordshireKensworth, St Mary
22 Feb 1847JohnWINTERS55BedfordshireArlesey, St Peter
23 Jun 1854JohnWINTERS71BedfordshireEaton Socon, St Mary
24 Jul 1848Martha AnnWINTERS6BedfordshirePotton, St Mary the Virgin
14 Apr 1842MaryWINTERS15BedfordshireArlesey, St Peter
22 Aug 1843MaryWINTERS30BedfordshireArlesey, St Peter
19 Mar 1833RebeccaWINTERS37BedfordshireArlesey, St Peter
25 Jul 1835SamuelWINTERS2BedfordshireArlesey, St Peter
23 Feb 1855SamuelWINTERS9mBedfordshireEaton Socon, St Mary
19 May 1833SarahWINTERSinfBedfordshireArlesey, St Peter
20 Mar 1835SarahWINTERS1BedfordshireOld Warden, St Leonard
21 Jul 1848SarahWINTERS50BedfordshireDunton, St Mary Magdalene
9 Mar 1836ThomasWINTER58BedfordshireLuton, St Mary
31 Aug 1848ThomasWINTERS22BedfordshirePotton, St Mary the Virgin
13 Apr 1831WilliamWINTERS9BedfordshireArlesey, St Peter
11 Sep 1842WilliamWINTERS78BedfordshireCaddington, All Saints

8 May 1772AnnWINTERS BedfordshireNorthill, St Mary the Virgin
3 Sep 1775AnnWINTER BedfordshireDunstable, St Peter
1 Mar 1819AnnWINTERS6BedfordshirePotton, St Mary the Virgin
15 Jul 1776DanielWINTERS BedfordshirePotton, St Mary the Virgin
25 Jan 1780DanielWINTERS BedfordshireDunton, St Mary Magdalene
30 Jun 1781DeborahWINTER BedfordshireDunton, St Mary Magdalene
27 Oct 1783EdwardWINTERS BedfordshireDunton, St Mary Magdalene
19 Mar 1790ElizabethWINTERS BedfordshireBedford, St Cuthbert
24 Nov 1797ElizabethWINTERS BedfordshireWrestlingworth, St Peter
24 Sep 1797ElizabethWINTERS BedfordshireArlesey, St Peter
30 Nov 1803ElizabethWINTERS BedfordshireCaddington, All Saints
23 Aug 1818ElizabethWINTERS16BedfordshireArlesey, St Peter
29 Jan 1823ElizabethWINTERS4BedfordshirePotton, St Mary the Virgin
18 Oct 1763Elizabeth HowardWINTERS BedfordshireBedford, St Cuthbert
2 Dec 1822EphraimWINTERS7BedfordshireArlesey, St Peter
13 Oct 1797JamesWINTERS BedfordshireEaton Socon, St Mary
26 Oct 1817JamesWINTERS18BedfordshireArlesey, St Peter
28 Jan 1770JaneWINTERS BedfordshireDunton, St Mary Magdalene
24 Jun 1775JaneWINTERS BedfordshirePotton, St Mary the Virgin
2 Aug 1818JaneWINTERS25BedfordshireArlesey, St Peter
28 Jan 1767JohnWINTERS BedfordshireBedford, St Cuthbert
10 Mar 1808JohnWINTERS BedfordshireArlesey, St Peter
2 Mar 1823JohnWINTERS29BedfordshireKensworth, St Mary
4 Oct 1823JohnWINTERS7BedfordshireEaton Socon, St Mary
26 Jul 1777MaryWINTERS BedfordshireEaton Socon, St Mary
16 Jan 1780MaryWINTERS BedfordshireEaton Socon, St Mary
18 Jan 1816MaryWINTERS16BedfordshireDunton, St Mary Magdalene
14 Dec 1823MaryWINTERS54BedfordshireArlesey, St Peter
14 Feb 1774SamuelWINTERS BedfordshireLangford, St Andrew
21 May 1762ThomasWINTERS BedfordshireBedford, St Cuthbert
23 May 1769ThomasWINTERS BedfordshireBedford, St Cuthbert
4 Mar 1774ThomasWINTERS BedfordshireWrestlingworth, St Peter
17 Sep 1782WidowWINTERS BedfordshireWrestlingworth, St Peter
19 Feb 1765WilliamWINTERS BedfordshireDunton, St Mary Magdalene
30 Jan 1803WilliamWINTER BedfordshireDunton, St Mary Magdalene

2 Apr 1570 WINTER BedfordshireLeighton Buzzard, All Saints
5 Apr 1581 WINTER BedfordshireLeighton Buzzard, All Saints
26 Jan 1587 WINTERinfBedfordshireLeighton Buzzard, All Saints
3 Dec 1745 WINTER BedfordshireLangford, St Andrew
20 Jul 1570AnnWINTER BedfordshireLeighton Buzzard, All Saints
30 Dec 1729AnnWINTERS BedfordshireEaton Bray, St Mary the Virgin
20 Feb 1730AnnWINTERS BedfordshireDunton, St Mary Magdalene
15 Apr 1745AnnWINTER BedfordshireDunstable, St Peter
23 Apr 1744DanielWINTERS BedfordshireDunton, St Mary Magdalene
29 Jan 1747DanielWINTER BedfordshireDunton, St Mary Magdalene
7 Aug 1656EdwardWINTER BedfordshireLeighton Buzzard, All Saints
4 Dec 1683EdwardWINTER BedfordshireHockliffe, St Nicholas
2 Jul 1746EdwardWINTER BedfordshireDean, All Hallows
1 Aug 1718ElizabethWINTERS BedfordshireWoburn, St Mary
14 Mar 1745ElizabethWINTERS BedfordshireWrestlingworth, St Peter
24 Feb 1594GeorgeWINTER BedfordshireDunstable, St Peter
11 Apr 1693GeorgeWINTOUR BedfordshireDunstable, St Peter
6 Feb 1594HenryWINTER BedfordshireDunstable, St Peter
19 Oct 1760HenryWINTERS BedfordshirePotton, St Mary the Virgin
5 Dec 1731JamesWINTER BedfordshireDunton, St Mary Magdalene
22 Jan 1743JamesWINTER BedfordshireDunton, St Mary Magdalene
17 Mar 1753JamesWINTERS BedfordshireDunton, St Mary Magdalene
13 Jan 1735JohnWINTERinfBedfordshireCardington, St Mary
14 Aug 1740JohnWINTER BedfordshireDunstable, St Peter
24 Dec 1744MarthaWINTERS BedfordshireCaddington, All Saints
10 Jul 1719MaryWINTERS BedfordshireLangford, St Andrew
29 Mar 1728MaryWINTERS BedfordshireDunton, St Mary Magdalene
20 Jan 1751MaryWINTERS BedfordshireEaton Socon, St Mary
23 Jan 1754MaryWINTERS BedfordshireDunton, St Mary Magdalene
9 Nov 1706RobertWINTER BedfordshireDunstable, St Peter
21 Jan 1742RobertWINTERS BedfordshireDunstable, St Peter
5 Dec 1726SamuelWINTER BedfordshireLangford, St Andrew
25 Sep 1599SarahWINTER BedfordshireDunstable, St Peter
28 Oct 1722SarahWINTERS BedfordshireDunton, St Mary Magdalene
18 Jul 1725SarahWINTERS BedfordshireDunton, St Mary Magdalene
18 Aug 1702ThomasWINTERS BedfordshireDunstable, St Peter
5 Feb 1725ThomasWINTER BedfordshireWoburn, St Mary
23 Apr 1725ThomasWINTER BedfordshireDunstable, St Peter
18 Mar 1733ThomasWINTER BedfordshireDunton, St Mary Magdalene
15 Dec 1758ThomasWINTERS BedfordshireBedford, St Cuthbert
15 Jun 1600WilliamWINTER BedfordshireDunstable, St Peter
30 Oct 1731WilliamWINTERS BedfordshireCople, All Saints

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From: Maurice & Jean Bath, Blenheim, NZ
Date: 10/25/04 09:21:34
To: ‘Hugh’; NEW-ZEALAND-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: Karangahake

Hugh,
My grandparents (William & Caroline Rackham) emigrated to Karangahake
from NSW in 1905. My mother was born there and I lived there until 1963,
attending the Primary School with another 26 pupils. I am still a member
of the Paeroa & District Historical Society who have a museum in Paeroa
and a good collection of photos. I have a number of scanned photos of
the township. Contact me off-list with details of what you are
interested in and I may be able to help.

Maurice

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From: CLP
Date: 10/25/04 09:31:42
To: Hugh
Subject: Re: Karangahake

Good morning Hugh,

At long last we are able to do something for you after all you do.

Unfortunately, I can not contribute much but I can confirm that Thomas
George De RENZY was manager of the Waihi Goldmining Company,
which operated in the Karangahape during that time. He was from
England and married a Suzanne Bantock MASSON of Scotland.

(Just as an aside, he was my wife’s grandfather, a short and very
egotistical person).

It is not of much value to you I realise unless you are putting together
material in general.

Best wishes

Dell Purdie
Rotorua.

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Morning,

the band rotunda went to Paeroa.

give glen Mayclair a ring and have a natter with him as he has much
knowledge of the area past and present. also photos. Glen is very interested
in the mining of the area at the time it was mined.

My parents lived there for a time.

Mr Montgomery was a church Minister, his wife ran the pub.

His Phone number is 07 863 7308 and he is home all this week(when not
fishing)

Robyn

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——-Original Message——-

From: Althea
Date: 10/24/04 18:52:15
To: Hugh; NEW-ZEALAND-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [NZ] Karangahake

Hi Hugh
The NASG Library if you are a member has a book on the School Reunion 1989,
which has some photos in, I didn’t keep an original

If you don’t get any better ones I can send you a copy.

There is a wonderful photo in the back of “New Zealand Yesteryears, Readers
Digest, showing a funeral in the main street 1875-1918, again I can copy if
you can’t get the book.

My grandmother lived there in early 1900’s, Eunice Phillipa Ludwig

Bye
Althea

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Wednesday, July 20, 2005

RG12/1254

Biggleswade

Blunham , Chalton , Cockayne Hatley , Dunton , Everton , Eyworth , Ickwell , Lower Caldecote , Millo , Muggerhanger , Northill , Potton , Thorncote , Upper Caldecote

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Imperial Gazatteer of England & Wales, 1866-9-9

Dunton, Bedfordshire

DUNTON, a parish in Biggleswade district, Beds; adjacent to the boundary with Herts and Cambridge, 3½ miles ESE of Biggleswade town and r. station. It contains Millo and Newtown; and its post-town is Biggleswade. Acres, 2,840. Real property, £3,090. Pop., 518. Houses, 105. The property is subdivied. Dunton lodge is achief residence. The living is a vicarage in the diocese of Ely. Value, £120. Patron, Earl Brownlow. The church has a brass of 1648, and is good. Charities, £5.

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Tuesday, July 19, 2005

Fwd: [BDF] Millow

Date: 19-Jul-2005 10:08

Subject: Re: [BDF] Millow

There is a Millow which is part of the village of Dunton ( about 3 miles

from Biggleswade Beds.) There were Winters living at Millow in 1881 but no Joseph.

Similarly 1891 and 1901. If you have some idea of his birth date it would help.

Tony

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Fwd: [BDF] Millow

Date: 18-Jul-2005 10:17

Subject: Re: [BDF] Millow

Does anyone on the list know much about, or live near Millow, near Langford.

Mt GG, Joseph Winters, was born at the “farmhouse at Millow”

National Burial Index report

Burial DateForenameSurnameAgeCountyPlace / Details

23 Apr 1870 ClaraWINTER 1+BedfordshireEaton Socon, St Mary

28 Sep 1868EleanorWINTER76BedfordshireEaton Socon, St Mary

23 Mar 1865GeorgeWINTER1+BedfordshireEaton Socon, St Mary

19 Apr 1869JohnWINTER20BedfordshireEaton Socon, St Mary

17 Feb 1864SamuelWINTERS4BedfordshireEaton Socon, St Mary

6 Dec 1832AnnWINTERS34Bedfordshir

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From: Mr & Mrs Bolt
Date: 10/24/04 18:50:08
Subject: [NZ] Karangahake

Dear Hugh

What is it you want to know about this Waihi Gorge centre of gold mining? My
great grandmother was manager of Montgomery’s Hotel in 1914 when my uncle
staying there on holiday sent a postcard to my mother, a view of the town.
The old school would have lost most of its pupils in the 1940s, much reduced
in size the building was still looking down on the small recreation area
which is the present day site of the non-existent town. My mother’s younger
aunts remembered their time there, and seeing the boys off to the War. They
said the band retunda in Waihi was taken from Karangahake when the band was
no longer there to play.

Barbara Bolt.

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1881 also has this. Note the Wareside births.
David NEWELL  Head  M  Male  53  Reslinworth, Bedford, England  Ag Lab
Susan NEWELL  Wife  M  Female  48  Dunton, Bedford, England
Jane NEWELL  Dau  U  Female  23  Croidon, Cambridge, England  Laundress
George NEWELL  Son  U  Male  18  Reslinworth, Bedford, England  Ag Lab
Fanny NEWELL  Dau    Female  10  Wareside, Hertford, England  Scholar
Oliver NEWELL  Son    Male  8  Wareside, Hertford, England  Scholar
Alfred NEWELL  Son    Male  6  Wareside, Hertford, England  Scholar

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Personal Details

Surname : WINTERS Given Names : DOROTHY HELEN
Age : 77 Sex : Unknown Date Of Birth :
Occupation : RETIRED
Religion :
Native Of :
Notes : H/STONE

Cemetery Details

Cemetery : KAEO CEMETERY
Division : PUBLIC LAWN
Block : B
Row :
Plot : 286
Notes :

Burial Details

Date Of Death : 31/07/1991 Place of Death :
Funeral Date 31/07/1991 Funeral Time
Burial or Ashes : Burial
Funeral Director : UNKNOWN

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Date: 26-Mar-2007 15:04
Subject: Re: [NZ] Winter/s

Hi Hugh,

You mentioned your ggfather Joseph Winters as having involvement in the
Dargaville area.

Checked our database and yes we do have some references to him:

Marsden E/R 1881, address Whakahara, Residential, Farmer;

Rodney E/R 1887, address Aratapu, Storeman;

Auckland Directory Listings 1891-1899: Date 1892-1894, Millhand;

Also for Amelia Elizabeth WINTERS:

BOI E/R 1893, address Aratapu, Dressmaker;

Northland Times Death References: date 25 May 1925 p4. Died 23 May 1925
aged 62. Also 28 May 1925 p1/c Thanks Notice, 22 May 1926 p1/f In
Memoriam Notice, 23 May 1927 p1/f In memoriam Notice inserted by son
Harold, Beryl & Kids.

Old Mt Wesley Cemetery records; Died 23 May 1925 aged 62, Plot #A123
Birthdate about 1863.

Can send you the index reports if you like, can also lookup the
newspaper items and copy for you.

BTW you probably know Whakahara was just down river from Dargaville, on
the other side from Aratapu. Electorates for the area changed between
BOI, Marsden, (Rodney?), Hobson and Kaipara over the years.

Cheers,

Graham Jones
Dargaville

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Surname WINTERS
Given Name Harold Heawa
Category Second Reserves
Last NZ Address Aratapu Northern Wairoa
Occupation Picture-show Proprietor
Classification B

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Hi Hugh,

I believe that the Railway Tavern was at Wareside as the other places on the same district number were on the north east side of the town, Widbury Farm etc.

There was a railway line that ran from Stanstead Abbots to Buntingford with a station at nearby Mattock Farm which is on the same census place.
Taken from Old Ordnance survey map of the area. Ware is my home town and I do have a 3 books on it.

Daphne.

My great grandfather, Joseph Winters was born in Millow near Dunton
in 1856. He was the only child of a Susan Winters. Susan and Joseph
moved south to Ware sometime before 1871 and stayed at Railway
hotel in Ware.
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